[Michael Dirk]

Congrats Ben! Welcome to Burrard Civic – We’ve been mooring there for 6 years. Several memebers also been there – right now I think it’s just Godi and us (MacJager)

Sent you a PM for further details. Cheers!
MD

[Michael Dirk]

Aye the winds are pandoras box…

However we did exactly that – dropped in Pent, two nights and was up in Vernon. Being born in Kelowna, it was somewhat a right of passage – wouldn’t hurry back given Harrison far more interesting (islands, waterfalls etc), better winds, and closer.

[Michael Dirk]

Most welcome Bruce – Didn’t notice any significant change adding the extra 100lbs… had over 6kn crossing the strait with just ASym… no trouble 5+kn with main and 150% Genoa. Here’s a clip of a comfy 4kn cruise about Stanley Park.

I will say it’s far more comfortable to man the helm with the BWY engine steering quick release- like butter if your steering cable has been well maintained or replaced if over 10 years old etc

[Michael Dirk]

Ahoy Bruce,

Exciting times ahead for Mystic Rose!

We strapped on a Suzuki DF90 three seasons ago and love the possibilities it opened up… when ‘opened up’. Also love that our RPM is substantially lower for hull cruising speed… and therefor so is noise and gas consumption.

I’d suggest, given the proximity to cockpit, that noise is the most significant concern for Macs… and it isn’t all just from the engine itself, but sympathetic vibrations/resonances which are amplified by our light hulls… much like the body of a violin or guitar.

I’m not too sure about the smaller-midsize engines, as all my research has been on the 90hp range. Considering the 4 strokes are all four cylinders, and 2 strokes 3 cylinders, than RPM for RPM, the two stroke will ignite combustion 50% more than the 4 stroke… therefor more noise and vibration. Also a 3 cylinder is inherantly not as balanced as a 4 cylinder. Etec has a special pontoon series softer rubber mounts available for some models which claims to reduce vibration transfer up to 30% at some RPMs.

I’d consider when was the latest technological platform of the motor released, as you ought get the best performance/economy. Etec seems to have had frequent ECU problems which are $2k to fix if not covered under warranty.

Suzuki’s are renowned for their quiet operation. The newest Mercury 75-115 claim 50% quieter at WOT than the new Yamaha.

Best ‘bang for buck’ I see is the lease return 90hp Mercs on Craigslist $6400… $6100 in Victoria. Other thing to do is just call every vendor listed on the manufacturer website to see what they have in stock/clearance and what rebates are offered from factory as it’s still boatshow promo season….

BlueWater Yachts – the largest Mac dealer was authorized by MacGregor to mount the 340lb DF70 on their transoms without modification. I had transom reinforcement bars made up for when I had my DF90 installed on our X at Brant Marine, but they didn’t use them, and stated that they mount up 250hp to transoms as thick as ours…. and thus far that’s held true… no sign of stress/fracture on our transom…. just shouldn’t be too aggressive with holeshot etc and of course pounding over/through waves for the rigging and hull/ballast tank stress. The X hull really comes to life when you get onto a true plane… and I suspect the Merc would be even better with the greater displacement torque… might even swing a larger prop… haven’t checked… have been pondering trading up to the 115hp…pitch me an offer on my DF90 if you like (500hrs, 3 year warranty remaining)

Cheers and good luck!

[Michael Dirk]

Ahoy Bruce,

Exciting times ahead for Mystic Rose!

We strapped on a Suzuki DF90 three seasons ago and love the possibilities it opened up… when ‘opened up’. Also love that our RPM is substantially lower for hull cruising speed… and therefor so is noise and gas consumption.

I’d suggest, given the proximity to cockpit, that noise is the most significant concern for Macs… and it isn’t all just from the engine itself, but sympathetic vibrations/resonances which are amplified by our light hulls… much like the body of a violin or guitar.

I’m not too sure about the smaller-midsize engines, as all my research has been on the 90hp range. Considering the 4 strokes are all four cylinders, and 2 strokes 3 cylinders, than RPM for RPM, the two stroke will ignite combustion 50% more than the 4 stroke… therefor more noise and vibration. Also a 3 cylinder is inherantly not as balanced as a 4 cylinder. Etec has a special pontoon series softer rubber mounts available for some models which claims to reduce vibration transfer up to 30% at some RPMs.

I’d consider when was the latest technological platform of the motor released, as you ought get the best performance/economy. Etec seems to have had frequent ECU problems which are $2k to fix if not covered under warranty.

Suzuki’s are renowned for their quiet operation. The newest Mercury 75-115 claim 50% quieter at WOT than the new Yamaha.

Best ‘bang for buck’ I see is the lease return 90hp Mercs on Craigslist $6400… $6100 in Victoria. Other thing to do is just call every vendor listed on the manufacturer website to see what they have in stock/clearance and what rebates are offered from factory as it’s still boatshow promo season….

BlueWater Yachts – the largest Mac dealer was authorized by MacGregor to mount the 340lb DF70 on their transoms without modification. I had transom reinforcement bars made up for when I had my DF90 installed on our X at Brant Marine, but they didn’t use them, and stated that they mount up 250hp to transoms as thick as ours…. and thus far that’s held true… no sign of stress/fracture on our transom…. just shouldn’t be too aggressive with holeshot etc and of course pounding over/through waves for the rigging and hull/ballast tank stress. The X hull really comes to life when you get onto a true plane… and I suspect the Merc would be even better with the greater displacement torque… might even swing a larger prop… haven’t checked… have been pondering trading up to the 115hp…pitch me an offer on my DF90 if you like (500hrs, 3 year warranty remaining)

Cheers and good luck!

[Michael Dirk]

My guess it’d be slightly larger than the Suzuki, but certainly smaller than the beefy Merc. Personally I’d love to see the new 2015 115hp Merc on the back of an X – remarkable they could squeeze 2.1L displacement into 359lb.

I would suspect only the Evinrude and Kermie’s Yamaha 70hp has a chance of mounting without having to modify the back of the captain’s seat – but no where near as aggressive as the MercX at Burrard – and I’m not sure if it has to be that much. Next time you’re by please have a closer look at Bachus – I’m due to cut out a bit of our seat as the DF90 does hit in near full upright (I can’t go fully upright as the front presses down on rudder linkage – I think Windspiration clears better as theirs is mounted an inch higher and has the transom reinforcement plates and wedges – but the linkages are different between the years)

I don’t think you’ll get a NMEA engine readout on your MFD/plotter with carbs, as I know I couldn’t even get an hour meter on our prior 02 Honda BF50.

[Michael Dirk]

Most impressive Whipsyjak – I never managed more than 13kn with the 2002 Honda 50hp

With the Suzuki DF90 propped with a pontoon appropriate:
Idle speed = 1.5kn/hr @ 1L/hr
5kn = 3.2L/hr
10kn = 7.5L/hr 4500rpm
15kn = 15L/hr
20+kn(WOT 5890rpm) = 34L/hr

[Michael Dirk]

Prior to joining club Windspiration with the DF90 ($7500-6/yr warranty, at Brant Marine 2012 clearance – taxes and rigging gear extra), I had placed a $500 deposit with Seth at a marine engine shop just down from Brant Marine, Pederson Marine or something like that – was to commission the rebuilding of a 2006 Evinrude 90hp, for $5500 cash sale, 90 day warranty.

If you happen to consider the pre-2015 Mercs – there’s a 75hp 400lb beast on a 26X at the Burrard Civ lot storage. (also for sale). Bridgeview marine had a number of lease return 75-90hps come in this spring – perhaps they might still have some?

Good luck – hope to see you in the 20kn+ club – desolation is a 4.5hr trip away from Vanier launch^^

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[Michael Dirk]

Congrats Cenote! No deal like that can be found at our boat show…. kind of wishing I had jumped on the Binnacle.ca deal as well… but still pondering the application. Sport drive is only available on the EV200 at over double the price of EV100… so pondering if a hydraulic conversion is worth doing such as this prior Mac owner did with his Odin:

Any thoughts?
I gather tiller mount is also an option?

[Michael Dirk]

Yipes – approx $800 to fill the gas tank :-$

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